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		<title>By: scott t</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-6855</link>
		<dc:creator>scott t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if someone just released information or software to the public, how then could a company take that 'free' software and then 'legally' make the information unrepeatable or unfree?

if the first someone still had the 'free' software they could just keep releasing their free software - and say i thought it up and im giving it away.  no company could change that - or should ever be able to.

im not so sure about the stealing work claim.  if i pay for content (to some living being) -- and distribute the result of the 'work' to another -- they may think the residual from the 'work' sucks -- and chastise me for sharing such garbage and experience a period if dismay --  on the other hand, they may say what a neato (variety of expression)  where can i find out more?
then they may pay for additional content to the content provider.
if many decided to not give money for content then i guess much of the content people enjoy would diminish.  
and they would turn to feeding squirrels or something.

when opera browser was in the 3.somethings i paid around 15 bucks  or so for it.   later versions had the ad banner which i downloaded for 'free' but paid for their webmail service.  now..at least it seems its a free download -- i dont know how opera gets money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if someone just released information or software to the public, how then could a company take that 'free' software and then 'legally' make the information unrepeatable or unfree?</p>
<p>if the first someone still had the 'free' software they could just keep releasing their free software - and say i thought it up and im giving it away.  no company could change that - or should ever be able to.</p>
<p>im not so sure about the stealing work claim.  if i pay for content (to some living being) -- and distribute the result of the 'work' to another -- they may think the residual from the 'work' sucks -- and chastise me for sharing such garbage and experience a period if dismay --  on the other hand, they may say what a neato (variety of expression)  where can i find out more?<br />
then they may pay for additional content to the content provider.<br />
if many decided to not give money for content then i guess much of the content people enjoy would diminish.<br />
and they would turn to feeding squirrels or something.</p>
<p>when opera browser was in the 3.somethings i paid around 15 bucks  or so for it.   later versions had the ad banner which i downloaded for 'free' but paid for their webmail service.  now..at least it seems its a free download -- i dont know how opera gets money.</p>
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		<title>By: Connelly Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Connelly Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe I was just in a bad mood or depressed when I wrote the previous response.  Not sure I actually think Copyright should be abolished.  It's at least one of those longstanding questions that I'm unsure about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe I was just in a bad mood or depressed when I wrote the previous response.  Not sure I actually think Copyright should be abolished.  It's at least one of those longstanding questions that I'm unsure about.</p>
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		<title>By: Connelly Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Connelly Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philosophically, everyone seems to be focused on maximizing social good.  Perhaps I'm a bit of an anarchist, but I'm not sure social good is good at all.  Social good largely seems responsible for a police state in which only some works are allowed to exist, for normalizing everyone into exactly the same modes of behavior (it's kind of depressing how similarly most people behave), and for making people be adult and focused on creation of wealth and social goods as opposed to childish and focused on being carefree and having fun.  Perhaps I just like people who are free spirits, and I find all the policing and narrow game-theoretic "rational" games of increasing each person's personal wealth rather abhorrent.  But I've put Copyright on some of my stuff (though I don't profit from it), so I'm either undecided, or think that everyone should exploit the system while violating it to punish idiotic consumerist American behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philosophically, everyone seems to be focused on maximizing social good.  Perhaps I'm a bit of an anarchist, but I'm not sure social good is good at all.  Social good largely seems responsible for a police state in which only some works are allowed to exist, for normalizing everyone into exactly the same modes of behavior (it's kind of depressing how similarly most people behave), and for making people be adult and focused on creation of wealth and social goods as opposed to childish and focused on being carefree and having fun.  Perhaps I just like people who are free spirits, and I find all the policing and narrow game-theoretic "rational" games of increasing each person's personal wealth rather abhorrent.  But I've put Copyright on some of my stuff (though I don't profit from it), so I'm either undecided, or think that everyone should exploit the system while violating it to punish idiotic consumerist American behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Cauthon &#187; GPL depends on copyright?</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Cauthon &#187; GPL depends on copyright?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So why am I bringing this up? Well, there was a recent debate that started on Slashdot between two individuals on the question of whether the GPL depends on copyright in order to oppose copyright. The debate started with with a post arguing that the GPL depends on copyright. Someone wrote a responsedisagreeing with that position, and the original poster responded to that. The debate is interesting, mostly because it&#8217;s one issue that I actually find myself in agreement with the GPL advocate! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So why am I bringing this up? Well, there was a recent debate that started on Slashdot between two individuals on the question of whether the GPL depends on copyright in order to oppose copyright. The debate started with with a post arguing that the GPL depends on copyright. Someone wrote a responsedisagreeing with that position, and the original poster responded to that. The debate is interesting, mostly because it&#8217;s one issue that I actually find myself in agreement with the GPL advocate! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Handles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further Thoughts On Copyright</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain Handles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further Thoughts On Copyright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Karl Fogel posted a thoughtful and calm response to my essay, "Should Copyright Be Abolished?" and invited my reaction. So here goes... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 02:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, you probably know already this, but just in case: I wrote a rebuttal at &lt;a href="//www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source&lt;/a&gt;, and it ran on Slashdot the next day.  I'd be interested to hear your reaction.

-Karl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you probably know already this, but just in case: I wrote a rebuttal at <a href="//www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.questioncopyright.org');">http://www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source</a>, and it ran on Slashdot the next day.  I'd be interested to hear your reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Berg</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have a bit of a libertarian slant, but I dislike both copyright (as it stands now--reduce it to 7 years or something and it might be OK) and the GPL.  If we get rid of copyright, then I say "let Megacorp build on my work".  

If Megacorp want to try to lock it up with DRM, that's cool too!  So far, there have been very few examples of DRM effectively stopping anyone from doing what they want, and most of those examples are based on the DMCA.  Since the "C" in "DMCA" is copyright, if we get rid of copyright, then we got rid of DMCA, and therefore we've hamstrung DRM.

So, in the end result, Megacorp has now produced some (presumably nice) extension to my work, which depending on how ineffective their DRM is I can either reverse-engineer into my own version, or I can just copy wholesale.

The only people who lose are companies who's business model is based on the idea that by having a monopoly position on some software, granted through copyright, they can make an 80% profit margin on that software, then use that monopoly and that disgusting profit margin to coerce their way into a monopoly position in other market segments.

Take away the monopoly, and they would have to instead compete on their merits, and earn what they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have a bit of a libertarian slant, but I dislike both copyright (as it stands now--reduce it to 7 years or something and it might be OK) and the GPL.  If we get rid of copyright, then I say "let Megacorp build on my work".  </p>
<p>If Megacorp want to try to lock it up with DRM, that's cool too!  So far, there have been very few examples of DRM effectively stopping anyone from doing what they want, and most of those examples are based on the DMCA.  Since the "C" in "DMCA" is copyright, if we get rid of copyright, then we got rid of DMCA, and therefore we've hamstrung DRM.</p>
<p>So, in the end result, Megacorp has now produced some (presumably nice) extension to my work, which depending on how ineffective their DRM is I can either reverse-engineer into my own version, or I can just copy wholesale.</p>
<p>The only people who lose are companies who's business model is based on the idea that by having a monopoly position on some software, granted through copyright, they can make an 80% profit margin on that software, then use that monopoly and that disgusting profit margin to coerce their way into a monopoly position in other market segments.</p>
<p>Take away the monopoly, and they would have to instead compete on their merits, and earn what they get.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people confuse copyright with patents. OOPS! A big difference. The argument should be abolish software patents but keep copyright. If you don't want your stuff copyrighted, then put it into the public domain. Everything else is copyright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people confuse copyright with patents. OOPS! A big difference. The argument should be abolish software patents but keep copyright. If you don't want your stuff copyrighted, then put it into the public domain. Everything else is copyright.</p>
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		<title>By: Damjan</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Damjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this blog is misleading, since it's main content is attacking *some* people that support free software and abolishing of copyright.

Also the point made has been demolished previously.

Now, the idea of abolishing copyright is an interesting one, and I'd like to continue about it in some better medium (not blog comments).

I personally am FOR abolishing copyright and making DRM forbiden, but that may be an too big of a jump, today.
But a copyright reform is surelly needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this blog is misleading, since it's main content is attacking *some* people that support free software and abolishing of copyright.</p>
<p>Also the point made has been demolished previously.</p>
<p>Now, the idea of abolishing copyright is an interesting one, and I'd like to continue about it in some better medium (not blog comments).</p>
<p>I personally am FOR abolishing copyright and making DRM forbiden, but that may be an too big of a jump, today.<br />
But a copyright reform is surelly needed.</p>
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		<title>By: kneemoe</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>kneemoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so i'm supposed to worry that a free application got stolen by a company, added crappy code to it, and then charged for it?  who in their right mind is going to use it?  who isn't going to find out that someone else made this first app thats DRM free or what-not?
do you know the FOSS community at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so i'm supposed to worry that a free application got stolen by a company, added crappy code to it, and then charged for it?  who in their right mind is going to use it?  who isn't going to find out that someone else made this first app thats DRM free or what-not?<br />
do you know the FOSS community at all?</p>
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		<title>By: ERM</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>ERM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 11:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read "Free Culture"

The ideal situation is copyright that lasts something like 5 years and then the author or his estate is required to register their intent to keep it copyrighted every 5 years.  Fee - $1.  Thus if he/she couldn't go through the trouble of re-registering for ONE DOLLAR, they must not care if it falls into Public Domain.

The fact that Disney and the other media companies were founded on PD and copyright infringement themselves makes this thing laughable - or it would if it weren't so tragic.  For the full story read "Free Culture"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read "Free Culture"</p>
<p>The ideal situation is copyright that lasts something like 5 years and then the author or his estate is required to register their intent to keep it copyrighted every 5 years.  Fee - $1.  Thus if he/she couldn't go through the trouble of re-registering for ONE DOLLAR, they must not care if it falls into Public Domain.</p>
<p>The fact that Disney and the other media companies were founded on PD and copyright infringement themselves makes this thing laughable - or it would if it weren't so tragic.  For the full story read "Free Culture"</p>
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		<title>By: Rudd-O</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudd-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're all nitpicking and saying "yes it does" -- "no, it doesn't".

Richard Stallman himself has said that the GPL's intended effect is to reverse copyright, and thus its effect is aptly called copyleft.  Period.

Whether you are a copyright abolitionist or not, is irrelevant to the fact that the contemporary copyright regime is actually hindering progress instead of encouraging it.

And, if copyright were abolished and a megacorporation elected to grab your work and repackage it for sale without freedoms... it still wouldn't be theft.  Come to think of it, even if copyright WEREN'T abolished, it still isn't theft today.  Theft is what happens when I take an object from you and you no longer have it, and as such can only arise from rivalrous goods, definition that excludes works of art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're all nitpicking and saying "yes it does" -- "no, it doesn't".</p>
<p>Richard Stallman himself has said that the GPL's intended effect is to reverse copyright, and thus its effect is aptly called copyleft.  Period.</p>
<p>Whether you are a copyright abolitionist or not, is irrelevant to the fact that the contemporary copyright regime is actually hindering progress instead of encouraging it.</p>
<p>And, if copyright were abolished and a megacorporation elected to grab your work and repackage it for sale without freedoms... it still wouldn't be theft.  Come to think of it, even if copyright WEREN'T abolished, it still isn't theft today.  Theft is what happens when I take an object from you and you no longer have it, and as such can only arise from rivalrous goods, definition that excludes works of art.</p>
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		<title>By: Sipos</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Sipos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 06:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GPL does add restrictions to distribution of a work but these restrictions only prevent you from adding more restrictions. If no one has the right to restrict the distribution of derrived work then what other restrictions do you need?

I am not convinced by the vision of a world without copyright you give in this article. You say:
"some megacorporation comes along, removes all your claims of credit, adds 10% more code, compiles it, and distributes the executable binary locked up in DRM"

If there is no copyright anybody who saw the source code would be able to redistribut it perfecetly legally. 

Your argument relies on them being able to keep secrete the source code of something they are distributing (remember that the GPL does not require you to distribute the source to modifications you do not distribute). 

I don't believe this would be possible. Any of the employees who came across it would be able to share it. 

If the source code is not secrete then anyone can share it and so the situation is essentially the same as if you had GPL'd it. 

I also think the megacorporation's bussiness model of selling something people are free to share and relying on DRM is unworkable. This is essentially what the record industry is trying and it isn;t working for them. It is so easy for people to share music and so hard to catch people (only a tiny minority are caught) that copyright might as well not exist on music. I don't believe anyone buys CDs because they can't get the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GPL does add restrictions to distribution of a work but these restrictions only prevent you from adding more restrictions. If no one has the right to restrict the distribution of derrived work then what other restrictions do you need?</p>
<p>I am not convinced by the vision of a world without copyright you give in this article. You say:<br />
"some megacorporation comes along, removes all your claims of credit, adds 10% more code, compiles it, and distributes the executable binary locked up in DRM"</p>
<p>If there is no copyright anybody who saw the source code would be able to redistribut it perfecetly legally. </p>
<p>Your argument relies on them being able to keep secrete the source code of something they are distributing (remember that the GPL does not require you to distribute the source to modifications you do not distribute). </p>
<p>I don't believe this would be possible. Any of the employees who came across it would be able to share it. </p>
<p>If the source code is not secrete then anyone can share it and so the situation is essentially the same as if you had GPL'd it. </p>
<p>I also think the megacorporation's bussiness model of selling something people are free to share and relying on DRM is unworkable. This is essentially what the record industry is trying and it isn;t working for them. It is so easy for people to share music and so hard to catch people (only a tiny minority are caught) that copyright might as well not exist on music. I don't believe anyone buys CDs because they can't get the music.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbyd</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/2007/05/06/should-copyright-be-abolished/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is more important is whether you can copyright publications about how to publish. for example, can the knowledge of publishing be suppressed so that it is only available to people with money? definitely not!
in addition, there should be no copyright on materials to learn foreign languages, although hindering the open publication of such materials should be deterred. nobody who professes the virtues of freedom of speech, yet speaks in a foreign language, can deny you the right to understand their language. period.
this could prevent alot of misunderstandings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is more important is whether you can copyright publications about how to publish. for example, can the knowledge of publishing be suppressed so that it is only available to people with money? definitely not!<br />
in addition, there should be no copyright on materials to learn foreign languages, although hindering the open publication of such materials should be deterred. nobody who professes the virtues of freedom of speech, yet speaks in a foreign language, can deny you the right to understand their language. period.<br />
this could prevent alot of misunderstandings.</p>
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		<title>By: Opposing copyright and supporting opensource: Can you do both? &#124; annie oakley of pecos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opposing copyright and supporting opensource: Can you do both? &#124; annie oakley of pecos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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