Job Scam: Business Consultant - JCC Inc.
Posted by Greg Bulmash in Job Hunting, tags: job scamsIt seems that when the job scam spams reach my mailbox, they come in waves. This one came in about 8 hours after the last one. I'll post the actual mail, then we'll look at the red flags it raises.
From: Lori Sofia <thhyddea3964@hotmail.com>
Subject: Business Consultant needed. (856)
To: patelkunalr.myjobs@gmail.comHello.
JCC Inc. is an international company, specializing in management consulting.
We offer a full complex of consulting services to help our clients to start or improve new business. That is why request in JCC Inc. services is growing all the time.
We are looking now for a highly motivated and experienced Management Consultant to work with global company and to represent its interests.Main responsibilities:
- Settle the legal issues
- Managing the Company’s funds
- Locate the facilities
- Carry out market research
- HR consulting
- Oversee operations
- Support the Company’s strategic goals by formulating and implementing a program for business development within the region etc.Benefits: high base salary; health Insurance; paid vacation, sick leave, holidays; company car;
training and development programs; bonuses.If you are interested in this offer, please e-mail us to jacobitecrabtreeln@gmail.com, and include your phone number so that we can contact you for an interview.
HR Department
JCC Inc.
HR Officer,
Imma Raiford.
The first and most obvious red flag is the "To:" address. The better scammers actually go to the trouble of running a program that sends out letters to recipients individually, but when your address is not the "To:" address, it means you're not the only recipient. It could have been sent to a large distribution list or a large number of blind carbon copied (BCC) addresses. Basically, you know this letter went out to more people than just you, and it could have been hundreds or even thousands. That's not a guarantee of a scam, but it should make you wary.
The second is the sender/reply mismatch. When you get the note from one address and are asked to respond to another address, you should be concerned. Sometimes this is legitimate, but in those cases, it's usually addresses at the same company domain (for example, an assistant at Volt mails you and asks you to respond to a specfic recruiter at Volt). In this instance the mail is coming from a free mail service, Hotmail, and you're being asked to reply to another free mail service, Gmail. I can't think of one circumstance under which I'd consider a Hotmail/Gmail mismatch legitimate.
Third... "Managing the companys funds." This is almost always indicative of a check cashing scam. They send you forged checks, supposedly from their U.S. customers, which you're supposed to cash at a bank, then send them the funds by Western Union wire transfer (not via the bank). Checks under a certain amount are usually cashed by banks before they're properly cleared, so you get the money and wire it off to Russia or Africa or China, and then a few days later, when the bank discovers the check is forged, you're responsible for paying back the money. The problem is, you don't have the money because you wired it to criminals, and good luck ever getting it back.
Last, the old adage: If it seems too good to be true, it usually is. That probably clicked in your mind, which is why you searched for more information about this company and why you found this page.
The job market sucks. Many of us are unemployed or underemployed. Money is tight. This job sounds awesome with great benefits including health insurance and a company car. It is really easy to wish it was for real. But it's not. It's cruel, heartless, scumbags who are preying on your desperation, happy to take your bad situation and make it worse just so they can make a quick, dishonest buck.
I'm sorry to disappoint you if you were hoping the job was for real, but better you get wise now than get screwed later. Best of luck to you and God bless.
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Dear Greg,
Thank you very much! I know what you mean. I get so many of these, and they "are" too good to be true.
You saved me aggravation, and what's left of my bank account (been out of work a lonnnng time, and our income doesn't spread as far anymore). But, boo hoo for me. I'm still trying.
It will get better.
Keep up the posting - you are helping more people than you realize.
Regards,
C
Thanks Cathy! Glad it helped you.
I'd say the other sign is the bad grammar, though of course that can creep into legitimate emails as well.
Hey Greg,
Thanks for the post. I answered a Monster.com ad from these same people and actually followed up a few times, they almost had me. Here's the first email I received:
-----Original Message-----
From: immaraiford@aol.com [mailto:immaraiford@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:16 AM
To:
Subject: Job offer/ Personal Information
Dear Mr. (my last name),
My name is Ms. Imma Raiford,
I'm an HR officer with JC Consulting Inc.
Your resume seems to meet our requirements.
I think you have some qualifications pertaining to the position of a Management Consultant.
JC Consulting is a consulting company headquartered in Amsterdam, Netherlands. We have been providing business development projects and consulting services for over 5 years and have gained vast experience in business and growing respect from both our clients and employees.
JC Consulting Inc. helps companies in Europe and our client base is growing rapidly. JC Consulting employs more than 200 people and has operating offices in Netherlands, Denmark and Finland.
We never stop improving our service, which is essential to bring profit to the company and good results to our clients.
We are now seeking an Experienced Management Consultant to help us with the operations in the US. JC Consulting has always been and remains an Equal Opportunity Employer.If you think that you need a position to show all your skills in practice, JC Consulting would be the place to provide that opportunity.
The offered position is full-time or part-time for your consideration.
During your trial period it will be required to take part in a practical task and fulfill an additional project for us to see your skills in coping with a real deal. There will be no traveling required during your trial period, you will work from home and report to the head office. You will receive additional payment upon successful completion of the project.
The salary for the first two months as your trial period would range between $7,000 and $10,000 with negotiable commissions per month paid biweekly. Final annual compensation would be discussed further, but we can offer a salary ranging from $110,000-$200,000 a year for the full-time position of a Management Consultant.
In the attachment you will find a CANDIDATE INFORMATION SHEET. In case you are interested in the position, please forward the filled out form as a reply to this e-mail.
Please fill out the form carefully, fill out all the required information such as your name, address, e-mail, home and cell phones, current employer, education, etc.
You surely understand that we work distantly, so that is why as more information as possible is required to have a full picture of the candidate before forwarding his resume to the next step in the hiring process.
I'll be waiting for your completed candidate information sheet to contact you to discuss the position in detail.
Please feel free to ask me any questions regarding this opportunity.
I'm sure that JC Consulting is a company, where an experienced person as you can make a difference and build an exciting career.
Sincerely yours,
Imma Raiford,
HR officer
JC Consulting Inc.
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I actually responded a couple of times, but then when I did some checking with a contact I have in Europe they couldn't find anything on JC Consulting in the Netherlands, which prompted me to do some more research. I did search for the other names they go by (JC Consulting, Inc., and Jason & Colvin Consulting, Inc.) and nothing came up. Just this morning though I search for JCC, Inc. and found your post. By the way, they did send me their website address. Is is: .jcolvinconsulting.com
Thanks again, and one final question. Should we alert any authorites about this?
The web site you noted doesn't follow the normal scam site pattern. Normally, they're no more than a few days to a couple of months old, but that domain has been around since 2004. It was however updated in July, so it may have been bought or stolen then.
As for contacting authorities. There's little they can do as the main perpetrators of this scheme are outside of the U.S. The most they could do would be to ask you to keep playing along so thet could try to set up a sting on any domestic accomplices. If you're willing to be part of a sting operation, then contact the authorities. Otherwise, I suggest you just "quit" the job.
Funny, how they are all out there preying on the vulnerability of the economy. I sent some inquiries to Interpol about them, they responded and will forward it to the proper authorities in that country. I actually interviewed with them (over the phone of course) and it sounded great! Right up to the point where they said they were going to pay me my salary on MY Credit Card! No check, no direct deposit, no wire transfer... My visa card! They actually asked for my Credit Card info, and they ensured me that this was a ligit way of being paid, and more companies are paying people like this that work over seas! I asked Imma, if she was sitting in the woods next to my house, using binoculars, peering through my window, to see if I had an: "I'm an idiot" T-Shirt on. As you can imagine, that was the end of the interview process. BTW, there website is no longer up or active.
Thanks again Greg. I never did start any work, so your post certainly saved me from wasting my time at a minimum.
Take care.
Hello Greg,
I have been following this post, for I too was contacted by JCC, Inc. It had the "scam" Red Flags (e.g. Sender/Reply mismatch, "Managing the Company Funds", Etc...), but there was something about this one that made me think that it could have been forwarded from a Recruiter - through a Headhunter/Broker. So, I checked into it.
After completing the Candidate Information Sheet (which did not contain any questions regarding any of my Bank Accounts, SS#, Etc...), the Company contacted me. After speaking with them, they sent me some Additional Questionnaires that were designed to Verify my Experience & Test my Knowledge with Consulting & Management Practices. Along with Verifying my Experience, they asked me a lot of Essay Style Questions regarding Management & Consulting Principals, "what would you do in said situation", and Several Questions to test my knowledge of the differences between European & American Corporate ways of Strategic Management.
Approx. 5 days after I Completed said Questionnaires, they called me. I was asked a few more questions (some of which were specifically designed to verify my experience) & they offered me a Management Consultant Position with the Company. I was then emailed an Employment Agreement, which I went through with a "Fine Toothed Comb"... there was absolutely nothing that I could see that would imply that this is a Money Transfer and/or Check Cashing Scam. There was actually no mention of Transferring Moneys of any kind.
The Employment Agreement itself is Legit! Everything needed is called out plainly in the Agreement and it even states where they will render all necessary documents in accordance to the US Employment Laws and Regulations. When they mentioned "Managing of Company Funds" in the Job Ad, I think that they were referring to the Purchasing of Office Equipment - which will be supplied with the Company Funds & Resources (as per their Agreement).
Now, even with all that I have seen so far, along with the fact that they have a Legitimate Website/Phone Numbers/Corporate Seal/Etc... doesn't mean that at the end of the day - they are not a Scam Company; for I cannot say for 100% that they are not. However, if they are... they are the best that I have ever seen! I am Officially a Management Consultant with JC Consulting, Inc. & I am going to follow this through to the end. I will be sure to let you know how all of this plays out.
Good luck, but be very careful. Looking legit and being legit are two different things.
You are absolutely right! I've not been able to find Anything which shows that they are not Legit... However, I will find out soon enough - when they give me my 1st Assignment. If any of it involves my Personal Bank Account... I'm out like a Flash!! I'll even require a couple Assignments & Payroll Checks in my name (Cashed), before I would ever/even consider "Direct Deposit".
I know what to look for, so I'll keep you updated. I of course hope that they are Legit for many reasons - however, if they are not... we're dealing with a whole new type of animal here.
Thanks Greg. Keep an eye out for my SITREP!
Hey you all! I am as well a employee of JC Consulting and have finished the employment application. I am have been offered to pick from one of 2 projects. Both are for a Russian ofiice. I recieved this email on Monday October 26th, 2009 and was told that I had 3 days to pick which project to take on, they have not called or emailed me back yet....I have sent 3 emails and called 3 times, still no response! I will post what the email stated:
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:12:06 +0100
> From: valerie_jansen@jcolvinconsulting.com
> To: ******************@hotmail.com
> Subject: project details update
>
Hello (My Name),
So here are the details of the projects, as I promised.
The Russian Project
Objective - equip the office
Timeframe - 1,5 - 2 months
Budget - $200 000
Your bonus - 3% of the budget
Computers needed - 100
Peripheral devices needed - 20
Computer models and peripheral devices to choose from:
MB990LLA
MB991LLA
MC118LLA
MC233LLA
MC240LLA
MB420LLA
MB419LLA
MB418LLA
MB464LLA
MB463LLA
AirPort & Wireless
MB765LLA
MB996LLA
MB321LLA
MB763LLA
The process and duties:
Make a research in the nearest local stores and check the availability of desired models.
Send a report on the availability and prices, along with your choice of the model and the explanations as
to why you recommend this model (not mandatory).
Receive approval from the representative of JC Consulting.
Receive the testing budget from the Dutch office (headquarters of
Jason & Colvin Consulting)
Write and file the plan for the purchase (i.e. the quantity you can buy with the provided budget, the
price for each item, taxes and the overall sum for the purchase, deduct your bonus and deduct the cost of
packing materials).
Receive the approval for the purchase.
Purchase items and ship them to the Russian Office using the shipping
information provided by JC Consulting.
Perform these actions to reach the project objective.
Below is the information concerning the Commercial project.
The Advertising Campaign
Objective - manage funding of the Advertising Campaign
Timeframe - 1,5 - 2 months
Budget - $300 000
Your bonus - 6% of the budget
The process and duties:
Receive the testing budget from the Dutch office.
Receive the needed information regarding advertisement materials.
Write a plan for funding the advertising campaign with timelines and funds per each part of the advertising campaign.
Manage transferring funds to the Ukrainian PR Agency.
Report on all steps taken during the process.
Check the availability of funds online each working day (including Saturday).
Receive confirmation from the Dutch office regarding fund transfers.
Take part in the decision-making regarding the designed concepts of the advertising campaign.
The plan of the advertising campaign (including designing and performing)
1. Designing the strategy of the advertising campaign - $80 000
2. Choosing the target audience - $12 000
3. Designing printed materials - $ 9 000
4. Designing internet advertising - $ 27 000
5. Designing booklets and pamphlets - $ 6 000
6. Writing and recording speeches for audio commercials - $ 36 000
7. Designing signs and other visual and audiovisual advertising materials - $ 112 000
Please reply with your choice. If you would like to manage both
projects, please send me a note stating that and I will call you to discuss this possibility.
Best regards,
Valerie mailto:valerie_jansen@jcolvinconsulting.com
Has anyone else received the same projects to choose from? I myself am waiting for the $8,000 monthly salary to go through....lol.....We all no we all could use it at this point....I am going to continue to move forward with this company and see where it ends up....What you have to remember is keep all sent and received emails from the company, and your a US Citizen, there is nothing you can get in trouble for if you are 100% un-aware of the situation or scam........So take it and run with it, and if you get paid....HELL YEAH! one more question did anyone recieve a "Bank Application"? I kicked that strait in the butt and told them if they want to pay me its there responsability to figure out how to pay me not mine.....I set up a PayPal account and told them to pay me through that....They seem to be fine with it.....thay have had the information on it for I would say 2 weeks now and there has been nothing taking from me and they are still interested in me as a "Management Consultant" If anyone comes up with more information, please let me know!
Thank you,
Smichavis
The "Buy 100 Macintosh computers and 20 wireless routers and ship them to Russia" project sounds VERY hinky. Seriously, why can't they go to store.apple.com and buy them online or perhaps set up an account with a major re-seller like CDW or MacMall? Receiving packages and forwarding them to Russia is one of the classic job scams.
Additionally, don't think you can't get in trouble for being a party to a $200,000 fraud just because you thought you were a real employee. For one thing, your post to this site proves you were suspicious, so if things turn out bad, you're not 100% unaware, are you? Secondly, you can be civilly liable for restitution even if you're not criminally liable since you purchased the merchandise and you took receipt of it. The fact that you gave it to someone else who promised to pay for it is not the retailer's problem. It's yours, and they can come after any and all assets you have.
Now, under normal bankruptcy law, your house and car (up to a certain value) would be protected as would many of your personal possessions. But if the debt was incurred through fraud, and this might qualify as fraud in a bankruptcy court, you could lose those protections. So while you might be on the hook for $2-4 thousand to a bank with the normal check fraud scam, if you bought and shipped $200,000 worth of computers and peripherals and the payments turned out to be forged, you could lose your home, your car, and more to pay the computer seller back for your 100% unawareness of the scam.
This is in response to GREG BULMASH:
Well first of all I understand what you are saying.....But what proof do you have or anyone have that they are commiting check fraud.....If the funds are transfered in cash to you which is what I have been told (and believe me I have asked 10,000 questions because of my suspicion) then right there kicks the check fraud situation in the butt. There is and has never been any talk about reimbursement or check cashing at all. Not to me anyways. Also even if the money was stolen on their end and transfered to you in cash to use to complete a task there is still nothing that can be done to you personaly. Becuase they were the original holder, now some might say you could get in trouble for money laundry but at the same time if you are not 100% aware of the situation (AND SUSPICION DOES NOT COUNT) then there is nothing that a good attorney cant handle and save you from. Second of all one thing that you have to think about is this company has been around for atleast 4 years, and this is the only site that has anything bad to say about them.....Even then there really isnt anyone talking bad about them except suspicion......So once again as long as you know what you are getting into and you watch out for the "Catch" (scam) in it all theres nothing to worry about....I personaly from talking to Sofie, Imma, Valerie, Erik, Mike and a few others have not experianced or felt anything that would be unlawful.....So ask more questions from the company and see what there answer is.
I never said check fraud. I'm just saying that giving a brand new employee the job of locating, purchasing, and shipping $200,000 worth of computers to Russia sounds very suspicious because re-shipping packages to Russia is a well-known employment scam. Combine that with the other red flags so far and it just means you need to be very careful, because the job assignment raises new red flags.
First of all Greg you did say check fraud here it is in your own words..........."So while you might be on the hook for $2-4 thousand to a bank with the normal check fraud scam, if you bought and shipped $200,000 worth of computers and peripherals and the payments turned out to be forged, you could lose your home, your car, and more to pay the computer seller back for your 100% unawareness of the scam."............Second of I never said anything about them saying you have to purchase them here and ship them....I have already asked the question of weather or not you can set up a online account....But ask yourself "Whats the difference"? Weather or not you purchase them first hand or on the internet.....YOU STILL BUY THEM! Also you keep mentioning all these supposed "RED FLAGS" I just dont see them greg....what red flags....They have not asked for bank, credit or any personal information beyond home phone and address.....So again Greg what "RED FLAGS".......Also one more thing, I have a uncle and 2 friends that have worked with many company's over sea's and have both stated that the way this company has been contacting me, the emails/phone calls contracts etc....Are exactly how they work over there....I even took every single contract and email to a attorney and he stated "this is as lagit as it can get" his words exactly were there does not seem to be any signs of a scam or fraud situation taking place! ALSO, you can not find company's over seas on GOOGLE or YAHOO or BING or any of that shit.......THERE US SERVERS THERE GOING TO BASED ON WHATS IN AMERICA! Just like if you want to go to an company based in america you put .com if its a UK or Europe based company you put .uk........So your "RED FLAGS" there Greg, I have personaly busted every one of them and come up with professional input from attorneys and others who have worked over there and lived over there.....and well everyone of them state........"THERE ARE NO RED FLAGS" so quick bashing a company that you dont know anything about......wish all of you the best luck, and for that one person like me who is going to stick it out and try to take on the job.....GOOD LUCK! maybe will be working together one day on the same project! Thank you all!
Smichavis,
Good luck to you. You haven't busted any red flags. The initial method of contact remains questionable. So do the assignments. So does the fact that so many people got the e-mail and they all found my site and they've all reached this point in the hiring process.
So does the fact that the phone numbers on their web site don't work. So do a lot of facts. But you're going to do what you want to do. You're working really hard to convince yourself and others that this is legit despite how fishy it smells. If you end up being ripped off or helping them rip off someone else, it will all be on you.
If you want to read about how this might turn out, check out this article in the Washington Post:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/11/fdic_uptick_in_money_mule_scam.html?hpid=sec-tech
thank you for the update. fifferent subject. what do you know of George S may, and IPA. are they legit
I have no info on George S. May and IPA.
Jessie,
Thanks for contributing to the discussion. As far as everything being legit, the other thing that stands out as a big red flag is the contact numbers on their websites. Go to http://www.jcolvinconsulting.com and scroll to the bottom. There are two contact numbers there: Phone: 1 800 603 6035, and Fax 1 800 889 9898. Have you tried calling them? If not, you should. They are for completely unrelated businesses.
I too received their agreement and I agree it doesn't ask for any personal banking information, but merely contact information. However, there are just too many red flags for me personally for this to be legit. Finally, I contacted someone I know if Europe who looked in the official business registry in The Netherlands and could not find anything on the firm searching for JCC, Inc,, JC Consulting, Inc. or Jason & Colvin Consulting, Inc. I sent an email to them asking for the legitimate business name so I can verify their standing with the Dutch registry and they have yet to respond, and failed to follow through on a conference call we had previously set up.
That did it for me.
I'm very interested in how things work out for you so please let us know.
Good luck!
I am where most of you are. I have had two attorneys review the document , minor issues, too good to be true. THe picture of the corporate office is a nice photo, but the address is of a restaurant in Amsterdam.
No legimate phone number for this company. When you call its an internet provider. They ask you to only email not call, big red flag. There are many who are getting the same emails and calls, within 48 hours of each other. They are good at what they do, be very careful.
I have an interview with Valerie Jensen, tomorrow, I was hired and filled all the paperwork, but for some reason the red flags are there.
Please let us know how the results were, thanks
CMM
I am enclosing the letter sent by e-mail:
It was a pleasure to talk to you.
Accept my congratulations on being approved for the position. The
official offer with the conditions approved with our CEO is attached.
1. The salary and the bonus will be paid in US dollars. The training period
will last not more than 3 months and during this time you will be receiving
a minimum compensation of $8000 per month, after that period your annual
compensation will be $150 000 per year, in addition we will hold negotiations
for further increasing of your annual compensation and your bonus rate.
2. Supposedly the starting date for the practical task is one - one and a half
weeks after the offer has been sent to you, may be less, depending on the
cooperation while discussing all details.
3. The practical task for you hasn't been chosen yet, because the
budgets for all projects are being revised at the moment.
4. Your bonus (the 3 % of the US dept. income) will be based on EBIT.
There will be a minimum bonus you will get in case the desired earnings level
is not reached, but it hasn't yet been established.
5. Such benefits as health and dental insurance, retirement plan, paid
vacation period, corporate vehicle will be offered to you after
deciding on your status with our company, which will happen after the
training. Prior to negotiations we will offer you a benefit package which you will either
accept or reject and negotiate. During the training period we will
reimburse you for gas and prepay the business related expenses you
might encounter.
I've sent your completed portfolio to Valerie Jansen, the Project
Development Analyst. Please be available as she will contact you
shortly after you sign the agreement.
Whatever questions you have don't hesitate to ask by e-mail, and I'll
try to answer as soon as possible.
I'm looking forward to hearing from you soon.
With best regards,
Sofie Meyer,
Deputy Head of the HR department,
JC Consulting Inc.
www. jcolvinconsulting .com
carlos, did you ever hear back from them. i think it was a nice joke
Hello again,
VJB - you're welcome. I have checked everything out and you are right, their 800 #'s are no longer theirs. However, I do have Direct - International Numbers that do ring into JC Consulting (e.g. Fax and Phone). There are about a Dozen (e.g. Baker's Dozen... lol) Red Flags that I have seen with this (e.g. Phone Numbers, Address, Email Addresses, Names, Etc...)... but then there is always something which says that this could (possibly) be Legit. There are more things which say that this is not Legit, but if it is not, I cannot figure out where the Scam is!!
I, like Carlos, will be speaking with Ms. Valerie Jansen tomorrow. I've done the Candidate Information, the Candidate Questionnaire, Phone Interviews (nothing at this point that has proven that they are a Scam... or Legit), and now I will be speaking with this Valeria Jansen to Finalize everything - which they will, supposedly, then be following up with my 1st Project.
Tomorrow's Conversation is going to "Tell All". I have 16 years of Experience; which includes (but is not limited to) Executive Management as a CEO, Operations Management as a VP/General Manager, Business Development Experience as a VP/Director/Etc, & Consulting Experience (Plus, I used to be in Naval Special Warfare Intelligence). I wasn't trying to boast there, I'm just trying to say this... Basically, if they come at me with anything that does not fit my Profile - I will be skeptical. If they talk to me about excepting payments from US Customers and Transferring the Funds... well, I think you all know where that will end up. If they say that they have to pay me (i.e. Payroll Checks) through Direct Deposit (which a lot of companies are doing now - my last company was like that) - that's fine, for I have an account especially set-up for this type of thing (e.g. purchases and such from companies that I do not trust)... they will not be able to touch a dime of my money. I promise you all that I will figure this out and I will let you all know what happens. I do hope that this is Real and Legit... but, I know deep down that it's not possible.
Until tomorrow night...
p.s. I checked out their Website (i.e. Whois)- J Colvin Consulting, Inc. has owned the Domain since its' start in 2004. Go figure... as Greg said, it doesn't follow the typical Scam Pattern.
Hi All:
I too have an interview scheduled with Ms. Jansen. I ended up at this site because of the red flags everyone has felt. This is very weird. However, if this is real it the oddest situation I have ever been in. We will see. I will check back in with an update and to see how everyone made out.
cheryl. i had the co. check and it seems to be legit. its hard to believe. my concern is that Ms
jansen didn't call me.
Did you hear from her.
Good luck and lets hope this is true. we need it. You know, somethimes good things happen to real people.
I ended up here jsut like everyone else. Have been getting a lot od such too good to be true emails and wanted to check them out on the internet. Great are the people here who are following just to see what happens. I am saving this thread. I will check back to see whats happening. Thanks everyone
Jorge:
Ms. Jansen sent an email asking for a good time between 10AM and 2PM my time either today or tomorrow (Wednesday, Oct. 28). I replied that either would work for me. No call yet ... but it is Tuesday.
I, like everyone else is hoping this is legit. If not, then I am beginning to have fun with it (felt disappointed and like a fool at first).
thank you cheryl. lets wait or tomorrow, and hope for the best.
Watch, this is going to end up being some big university research project for someone's Ph.D. thesis.
Still working on this, everyone. I spoke with them again; I can tell you that this is a real company and it is not a Money Transfer Scam. However, I am working out some details and I still have a very important question that needs answered... I must do this before I can give everyone a "full" update.
At this point, I have to admit that I am still waiting for "the other shoe to drop"! I should have all the details figured out by Friday - at the latest. Stay tuned...
p.s. how has everyone else fared? Any Info?
No call from Valarie Jansen today or yesterday as she stated. This could be research for some dissertation. That would explain why it looks so legit and smells like a rat. I do not expect to hear from anyone. I think the jig is up. I have gotten to the last step with no project assigned. Cruel joke but at least I had fun with it after I got over the disappointment.
If things change, I will post again. But I do not think you will be hearing from me.
Just a reminder to everyone. Jessie may be a real and earnest job seeker. She could also be a shill for scammers. Always do your own research and be on your guard, especially when the "opportunity" comes in carrying this many red flags. Just because she's posting here does not mean I believe or endorse Jessie's claims.
Wow Greg - that was very astute. However, just because you have someone posting here that is not yelling “Scam” and/or “Conspiracy” does not mean that they are a “Plant” for said Company. I have said numerous times that even though they look Legit, something doesn’t feel right (e.g. my last post says that I am waiting for “the other shoe to drop”). Of course, any of us here could be a “shill” for Scammers. However, I found this site just like everyone else… I was trying to figure out whether or not this Company was a Scam. In doing so and finding out that no one else really knew whether or not this particular Company was hosting yet another Scam, I decided to do my part in helping everyone out. If at the end of the day, this JC Consulting is playing host to an elaborate Scam… I will be the first to tell everyone here. I just hope that my Finding/Postings are not “Tainted”, due to your last comments!
Greg, I am not going to say that this is a Scam without knowing for sure. I weight out all of the facts, before making any type of assumptions... about anything and everything. It is just Bad Business to do otherwise. Just because there are Red Flags, does not mean that they are a Scam. Of course, the fact that there have been Red Flags is what put me on this mission. Along with that - I am also looking for a good opportunity, like the rest of us here, and I want to validate any and all possibilities. If there is a Scam here – I want to get to the source of it, so that no one suffers any ill effect from it.
BUT… if this is a Legitimate Opportunity – it would be a shame for everyone to piss it away; due to JC Consulting being a Foreign Company, with no Presence here in the US, and the fact that they are not aware of said things that read as a “Scam”. I will find out and I will let everyone here know exactly what I find out. If someone else figures this out first, I hope that they will let us all know… for isn’t that what this site is for? Hopefully, all of our efforts will either help others stay away from another elaborate Scam, or they will help show people that this is a Legitimate Offer… even if it does seem too good to be true.
Never said you were a plant, but because you unequivocally said "I can tell you that this is a real company and it is not a Money Transfer Scam," I felt the need to qualify that people should still be on their guard despite what others post.
No Greg, you actually said "she could be a Shill for Scammers". I'm not offended, I just do not want anyone to think that I am a Plant, or a Shill for Scammers. I really want everyone to benefit from what I find out... however it turns out.
As for my unequivocally stating that the Company is real and that they are not a Money Transfer Scam, that's what I see. I never said that it wasn't a Scam, for I do not know that for sure (yet), but I know that it isn't a Money Transfer Scam. I have spoken with Jason & Colvin Consulting (named after the owner's 2 sons), several times now, and if they are hosting a Scam... I can see no way where it is a Money Transfer Scam. They have given me a clear set of Directives and it all has to do with opening a New Location here in the US. However, as I mentioned, I still have a very important Question unanswered (regarding their method of compensation). Without having an answer to that Question, I still cannot say for sure whether or not it is a Scam. That's the last piece of the puzzle, as far as I am concerned. When they answer that question - it will tell me that this is not only a Real Company, but also a Legit Opportunity/Position... or that it is a very unique Scam. Either way, I want everyone to know what I found out. Take it for what you will.
I think it is still early to say that it is definitely not a money transfer scam. Wait until the first paycheck (for the right amount) clears, and has been sitting there a while.
If you read the posting from smichavis above, the "Advertising Campaign" looks like an obvious money transfer scam. Smichavis is being asked to move funds to the Ukraine. I am now convinced that this is ABSOLUTELY A SCAM.
I would like to thank everyone for all the post and information provided. It is wonderful to have folks to turn to when questions arise .... and the really have. Maybe we will all work together. Maybe not. However, I have appreciated all the info and the honesty. I also am pleased that I was not the only one lured into this. Seems I am in good company with some pretty awesome folks.
God speed to all and may we all be working with a GREAT company soon!!!
I too received these emails, spoke with the same folks, was sent the employment agreement as everyone else, was told I would be getting my "project" and then nothing...no more calls, no more emails, etc. Don't know what to make of it. I don't know if it is a scam or what. It's very weird. I would think that if it was a scam, they would continue to correspnd or send emails, or something. Has anyone besides Jessie had any further communication with these people? It seems that everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop.
For me, I will continue with my job search as I have a lead on a position with a large retailer in their finance dept at their US headquarters. I think if I snag that job I will settle for a job with a little less salary but a bonus plan, stock plan, 401K and a solid work location. I just don't understand where these folks are coming from. They haven't asked for SS#s, bank accounts or anything....very bizarre!!
I am in the same situation as you are. It is kind of strange. I am just going to seat and wait,
nothing to loose.
I got the same email. I did fill out the application, since there was no Social Security number or Drivers License asked for I thought I would see what is was about. I knew it had a high probability of a scam when the email came with an earthlink ISP domain and there was nothing on JCC consulting on Google or Linkedin. So I knew it was bogus when I asked for an explanation and got nothing. What can you say, there some real freaks out there.
Here's another recent Washington Post article about "money mules" recruited through job sites:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/09/money_mule_recruitment_101.html
I think this scam ran it's course. No one has written back in two weeks on this site and I am tending to think that no one ever got a project that actually paid them money. I think this was a either a college dissertation project as some of the other folks here metioned or was something that one of the job boards put together to see how these types of things work out.
IN the worst case scenario it was a money laundering or goods transfer scam but I don't think that happened since the scam would have continued and all of the people who responded to the email would have been "hired" and "projects" would have been distributed to them. It looks like this kind of fizzled out over a three week period.
On the other hand, maybe it was busted and they were shut down?? I was just checking to see if anyone ever heard back or responded. Since they didn't, I guess it's time to move on myslef. Thank you Greg for your help and your alert to this type of internet nonsense. I am just glad it ended before what lttle money I had was taken.
I would like to hear from anyone who has actually completed a 'project' for this company and actually shipped any goods to Russia, (or more probably the Ukraine) or is still in correspondence with the company. The way it usually works is that the money that is transferred to your account to pay for the equipment is stolen from hacked accounts and when it is recovered by the banks you are down by the cost of the goods you have purchased and shipped to the crooks, not to mention having to face a lot of very awkward questions. This sort of scam is getting extremely complex and convincing, but the underlying principle is simple. See the Advanta TN fraud on http://www.bobbear.co.uk/ for an example of such a fraud.