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		<title>By: sharperguy</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/techno-thoughts/technology-life/should-copyright-be-abolished/comment-page-2#comment-8982</link>
		<dc:creator>sharperguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You create some cool open source app. Then some megacorporation comes along, removes all your claims of credit, adds 10% more code, compiles it, and distributes the executable binary locked up in DRM&quot;

You&#039;re argument fails to realise that DRM really doesn&#039;t work too well and will usually be broken quite quickly. At that point the &quot;mega corporation&quot; has no defence against the sharing of the file.

Without copyright, this form of software &quot;selling&quot; will not be commercially viable and I believe that in the long run this means that the software/development as a service model will have to be used as the main source of income for developers.

This model actually encourages open source models of development as they are generally more reliable (peer review) and provide better value to the customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"You create some cool open source app. Then some megacorporation comes along, removes all your claims of credit, adds 10% more code, compiles it, and distributes the executable binary locked up in DRM"</p>
<p>You're argument fails to realise that DRM really doesn't work too well and will usually be broken quite quickly. At that point the "mega corporation" has no defence against the sharing of the file.</p>
<p>Without copyright, this form of software "selling" will not be commercially viable and I believe that in the long run this means that the software/development as a service model will have to be used as the main source of income for developers.</p>
<p>This model actually encourages open source models of development as they are generally more reliable (peer review) and provide better value to the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: BKY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BKY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GPL does depend on copyright, but go and ask someone who uses it - I dare you. They do not use it because they have conflicting positions or are hypocritical; it is used as a clever hack of the current copyright system to better simulate the lack of copyright. Since it is obvious that public opinion isn&#039;t going to change against copyright, that is the most realistic way of handling the situation.

If GPL code were public domain, what would stop MajorCorp from using it in their product, and subsequently suing anyone who pirated or otherwise used MajorCorp&#039;s program, built on code they never created? Without copyright, I would not have the moral dilemma of having assisted MajorCorp in possibly ruining people&#039;s lives, nor would MajorCorp have any recourse if i were to reverse engineer their implementation of my code so that I could return their changes to the public.

Without copyright, the GPL is not &lt;i&gt;NEEDED&lt;/i&gt;. Unlike many licenses, it was not created to serve content creator&#039;s wallets. It was created to serve all of humanity. Copyright was intended to do the same - it has failed. if the GPL can make it work a little bit, until the public finally wakes up and calls for it&#039;s rightful abolition, then so be it.

And hey, if the GPL and other copyleft licenses become common place, we may not even need to make any massive political change. The market will have evolved past needing that.

Freedom is the future, and only those who have nothing to contribute fear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GPL does depend on copyright, but go and ask someone who uses it - I dare you. They do not use it because they have conflicting positions or are hypocritical; it is used as a clever hack of the current copyright system to better simulate the lack of copyright. Since it is obvious that public opinion isn't going to change against copyright, that is the most realistic way of handling the situation.</p>
<p>If GPL code were public domain, what would stop MajorCorp from using it in their product, and subsequently suing anyone who pirated or otherwise used MajorCorp's program, built on code they never created? Without copyright, I would not have the moral dilemma of having assisted MajorCorp in possibly ruining people's lives, nor would MajorCorp have any recourse if i were to reverse engineer their implementation of my code so that I could return their changes to the public.</p>
<p>Without copyright, the GPL is not <i>NEEDED</i>. Unlike many licenses, it was not created to serve content creator's wallets. It was created to serve all of humanity. Copyright was intended to do the same - it has failed. if the GPL can make it work a little bit, until the public finally wakes up and calls for it's rightful abolition, then so be it.</p>
<p>And hey, if the GPL and other copyleft licenses become common place, we may not even need to make any massive political change. The market will have evolved past needing that.</p>
<p>Freedom is the future, and only those who have nothing to contribute fear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allerious</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/techno-thoughts/technology-life/should-copyright-be-abolished/comment-page-2#comment-7326</link>
		<dc:creator>Allerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Would that theft of your work act as a disincentive to creating more works?&quot;

Since the &quot;work&quot; in question is merely an idea, rather than physical property, nothing is being stolen and no theft has occured.

There is absolutely, positively, no such thing as &quot;intellectual property&quot;. 

There is not a single invention in the history of the world that wasn&#039;t created without borrowing and building upon existing ideas.

Stop this nonsense. Just cut it out. The whole thing needs to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Would that theft of your work act as a disincentive to creating more works?"</p>
<p>Since the "work" in question is merely an idea, rather than physical property, nothing is being stolen and no theft has occured.</p>
<p>There is absolutely, positively, no such thing as "intellectual property". </p>
<p>There is not a single invention in the history of the world that wasn't created without borrowing and building upon existing ideas.</p>
<p>Stop this nonsense. Just cut it out. The whole thing needs to go.</p>
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		<title>By: scott t</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if someone just released information or software to the public, how then could a company take that &#039;free&#039; software and then &#039;legally&#039; make the information unrepeatable or unfree?

if the first someone still had the &#039;free&#039; software they could just keep releasing their free software - and say i thought it up and im giving it away.  no company could change that - or should ever be able to.

im not so sure about the stealing work claim.  if i pay for content (to some living being) -- and distribute the result of the &#039;work&#039; to another -- they may think the residual from the &#039;work&#039; sucks -- and chastise me for sharing such garbage and experience a period if dismay --  on the other hand, they may say what a neato (variety of expression)  where can i find out more?
then they may pay for additional content to the content provider.
if many decided to not give money for content then i guess much of the content people enjoy would diminish.  
and they would turn to feeding squirrels or something.

when opera browser was in the 3.somethings i paid around 15 bucks  or so for it.   later versions had the ad banner which i downloaded for &#039;free&#039; but paid for their webmail service.  now..at least it seems its a free download -- i dont know how opera gets money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if someone just released information or software to the public, how then could a company take that 'free' software and then 'legally' make the information unrepeatable or unfree?</p>
<p>if the first someone still had the 'free' software they could just keep releasing their free software - and say i thought it up and im giving it away.  no company could change that - or should ever be able to.</p>
<p>im not so sure about the stealing work claim.  if i pay for content (to some living being) -- and distribute the result of the 'work' to another -- they may think the residual from the 'work' sucks -- and chastise me for sharing such garbage and experience a period if dismay --  on the other hand, they may say what a neato (variety of expression)  where can i find out more?<br />
then they may pay for additional content to the content provider.<br />
if many decided to not give money for content then i guess much of the content people enjoy would diminish.<br />
and they would turn to feeding squirrels or something.</p>
<p>when opera browser was in the 3.somethings i paid around 15 bucks  or so for it.   later versions had the ad banner which i downloaded for 'free' but paid for their webmail service.  now..at least it seems its a free download -- i dont know how opera gets money.</p>
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		<title>By: Connelly Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connelly Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe I was just in a bad mood or depressed when I wrote the previous response.  Not sure I actually think Copyright should be abolished.  It&#039;s at least one of those longstanding questions that I&#039;m unsure about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe I was just in a bad mood or depressed when I wrote the previous response.  Not sure I actually think Copyright should be abolished.  It's at least one of those longstanding questions that I'm unsure about.</p>
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		<title>By: Connelly Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connelly Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philosophically, everyone seems to be focused on maximizing social good.  Perhaps I&#039;m a bit of an anarchist, but I&#039;m not sure social good is good at all.  Social good largely seems responsible for a police state in which only some works are allowed to exist, for normalizing everyone into exactly the same modes of behavior (it&#039;s kind of depressing how similarly most people behave), and for making people be adult and focused on creation of wealth and social goods as opposed to childish and focused on being carefree and having fun.  Perhaps I just like people who are free spirits, and I find all the policing and narrow game-theoretic &quot;rational&quot; games of increasing each person&#039;s personal wealth rather abhorrent.  But I&#039;ve put Copyright on some of my stuff (though I don&#039;t profit from it), so I&#039;m either undecided, or think that everyone should exploit the system while violating it to punish idiotic consumerist American behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philosophically, everyone seems to be focused on maximizing social good.  Perhaps I'm a bit of an anarchist, but I'm not sure social good is good at all.  Social good largely seems responsible for a police state in which only some works are allowed to exist, for normalizing everyone into exactly the same modes of behavior (it's kind of depressing how similarly most people behave), and for making people be adult and focused on creation of wealth and social goods as opposed to childish and focused on being carefree and having fun.  Perhaps I just like people who are free spirits, and I find all the policing and narrow game-theoretic "rational" games of increasing each person's personal wealth rather abhorrent.  But I've put Copyright on some of my stuff (though I don't profit from it), so I'm either undecided, or think that everyone should exploit the system while violating it to punish idiotic consumerist American behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Cauthon &#187; GPL depends on copyright?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Cauthon &#187; GPL depends on copyright?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So why am I bringing this up? Well, there was a recent debate that started on Slashdot between two individuals on the question of whether the GPL depends on copyright in order to oppose copyright. The debate started with with a post arguing that the GPL depends on copyright. Someone wrote a responsedisagreeing with that position, and the original poster responded to that. The debate is interesting, mostly because it&#8217;s one issue that I actually find myself in agreement with the GPL advocate! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So why am I bringing this up? Well, there was a recent debate that started on Slashdot between two individuals on the question of whether the GPL depends on copyright in order to oppose copyright. The debate started with with a post arguing that the GPL depends on copyright. Someone wrote a responsedisagreeing with that position, and the original poster responded to that. The debate is interesting, mostly because it&#8217;s one issue that I actually find myself in agreement with the GPL advocate! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brain Handles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further Thoughts On Copyright</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/techno-thoughts/technology-life/should-copyright-be-abolished/comment-page-2#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain Handles &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Further Thoughts On Copyright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Karl Fogel posted a thoughtful and calm response to my essay, &quot;Should Copyright Be Abolished?&quot; and invited my reaction. So here goes... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Karl Fogel posted a thoughtful and calm response to my essay, "Should Copyright Be Abolished?" and invited my reaction. So here goes... [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.brainhandles.com/techno-thoughts/technology-life/should-copyright-be-abolished/comment-page-2#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 02:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, you probably know already this, but just in case: I wrote a rebuttal at &lt;a href=&quot;//www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source&lt;/a&gt;, and it ran on Slashdot the next day.  I&#039;d be interested to hear your reaction.

-Karl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you probably know already this, but just in case: I wrote a rebuttal at <a href="//www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source" rel="nofollow">http://www.questioncopyright.org/copyright_and_open_source</a>, and it ran on Slashdot the next day.  I'd be interested to hear your reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have a bit of a libertarian slant, but I dislike both copyright (as it stands now--reduce it to 7 years or something and it might be OK) and the GPL.  If we get rid of copyright, then I say &quot;let Megacorp build on my work&quot;.  

If Megacorp want to try to lock it up with DRM, that&#039;s cool too!  So far, there have been very few examples of DRM effectively stopping anyone from doing what they want, and most of those examples are based on the DMCA.  Since the &quot;C&quot; in &quot;DMCA&quot; is copyright, if we get rid of copyright, then we got rid of DMCA, and therefore we&#039;ve hamstrung DRM.

So, in the end result, Megacorp has now produced some (presumably nice) extension to my work, which depending on how ineffective their DRM is I can either reverse-engineer into my own version, or I can just copy wholesale.

The only people who lose are companies who&#039;s business model is based on the idea that by having a monopoly position on some software, granted through copyright, they can make an 80% profit margin on that software, then use that monopoly and that disgusting profit margin to coerce their way into a monopoly position in other market segments.

Take away the monopoly, and they would have to instead compete on their merits, and earn what they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have a bit of a libertarian slant, but I dislike both copyright (as it stands now--reduce it to 7 years or something and it might be OK) and the GPL.  If we get rid of copyright, then I say "let Megacorp build on my work".  </p>
<p>If Megacorp want to try to lock it up with DRM, that's cool too!  So far, there have been very few examples of DRM effectively stopping anyone from doing what they want, and most of those examples are based on the DMCA.  Since the "C" in "DMCA" is copyright, if we get rid of copyright, then we got rid of DMCA, and therefore we've hamstrung DRM.</p>
<p>So, in the end result, Megacorp has now produced some (presumably nice) extension to my work, which depending on how ineffective their DRM is I can either reverse-engineer into my own version, or I can just copy wholesale.</p>
<p>The only people who lose are companies who's business model is based on the idea that by having a monopoly position on some software, granted through copyright, they can make an 80% profit margin on that software, then use that monopoly and that disgusting profit margin to coerce their way into a monopoly position in other market segments.</p>
<p>Take away the monopoly, and they would have to instead compete on their merits, and earn what they get.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people confuse copyright with patents. OOPS! A big difference. The argument should be abolish software patents but keep copyright. If you don&#039;t want your stuff copyrighted, then put it into the public domain. Everything else is copyright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people confuse copyright with patents. OOPS! A big difference. The argument should be abolish software patents but keep copyright. If you don't want your stuff copyrighted, then put it into the public domain. Everything else is copyright.</p>
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		<title>By: Damjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this blog is misleading, since it&#039;s main content is attacking *some* people that support free software and abolishing of copyright.

Also the point made has been demolished previously.

Now, the idea of abolishing copyright is an interesting one, and I&#039;d like to continue about it in some better medium (not blog comments).

I personally am FOR abolishing copyright and making DRM forbiden, but that may be an too big of a jump, today.
But a copyright reform is surelly needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this blog is misleading, since it's main content is attacking *some* people that support free software and abolishing of copyright.</p>
<p>Also the point made has been demolished previously.</p>
<p>Now, the idea of abolishing copyright is an interesting one, and I'd like to continue about it in some better medium (not blog comments).</p>
<p>I personally am FOR abolishing copyright and making DRM forbiden, but that may be an too big of a jump, today.<br />
But a copyright reform is surelly needed.</p>
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		<title>By: kneemoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>kneemoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so i&#039;m supposed to worry that a free application got stolen by a company, added crappy code to it, and then charged for it?  who in their right mind is going to use it?  who isn&#039;t going to find out that someone else made this first app thats DRM free or what-not?
do you know the FOSS community at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so i'm supposed to worry that a free application got stolen by a company, added crappy code to it, and then charged for it?  who in their right mind is going to use it?  who isn't going to find out that someone else made this first app thats DRM free or what-not?<br />
do you know the FOSS community at all?</p>
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		<title>By: ERM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ERM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 11:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read &quot;Free Culture&quot;

The ideal situation is copyright that lasts something like 5 years and then the author or his estate is required to register their intent to keep it copyrighted every 5 years.  Fee - $1.  Thus if he/she couldn&#039;t go through the trouble of re-registering for ONE DOLLAR, they must not care if it falls into Public Domain.

The fact that Disney and the other media companies were founded on PD and copyright infringement themselves makes this thing laughable - or it would if it weren&#039;t so tragic.  For the full story read &quot;Free Culture&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read "Free Culture"</p>
<p>The ideal situation is copyright that lasts something like 5 years and then the author or his estate is required to register their intent to keep it copyrighted every 5 years.  Fee - $1.  Thus if he/she couldn't go through the trouble of re-registering for ONE DOLLAR, they must not care if it falls into Public Domain.</p>
<p>The fact that Disney and the other media companies were founded on PD and copyright infringement themselves makes this thing laughable - or it would if it weren't so tragic.  For the full story read "Free Culture"</p>
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		<title>By: Rudd-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudd-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all nitpicking and saying &quot;yes it does&quot; -- &quot;no, it doesn&#039;t&quot;.

Richard Stallman himself has said that the GPL&#039;s intended effect is to reverse copyright, and thus its effect is aptly called copyleft.  Period.

Whether you are a copyright abolitionist or not, is irrelevant to the fact that the contemporary copyright regime is actually hindering progress instead of encouraging it.

And, if copyright were abolished and a megacorporation elected to grab your work and repackage it for sale without freedoms... it still wouldn&#039;t be theft.  Come to think of it, even if copyright WEREN&#039;T abolished, it still isn&#039;t theft today.  Theft is what happens when I take an object from you and you no longer have it, and as such can only arise from rivalrous goods, definition that excludes works of art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're all nitpicking and saying "yes it does" -- "no, it doesn't".</p>
<p>Richard Stallman himself has said that the GPL's intended effect is to reverse copyright, and thus its effect is aptly called copyleft.  Period.</p>
<p>Whether you are a copyright abolitionist or not, is irrelevant to the fact that the contemporary copyright regime is actually hindering progress instead of encouraging it.</p>
<p>And, if copyright were abolished and a megacorporation elected to grab your work and repackage it for sale without freedoms... it still wouldn't be theft.  Come to think of it, even if copyright WEREN'T abolished, it still isn't theft today.  Theft is what happens when I take an object from you and you no longer have it, and as such can only arise from rivalrous goods, definition that excludes works of art.</p>
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